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Poster: madmonkmcphee Date: Apr 9, 2011 12:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- a monumental barnburner of epic proportion and one of the finest spring tours ever.

Gimme any show from '78 over '74, I just don't get why so many people love '74. To my ears, this is the most overrated era, horribly muddled sound and uninspired playing. At least they have some great rock n roll energy in '78, the most punk rock Dead year. Check out 6/25/78, furious....

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Poster: grateful phishmon Date: Apr 10, 2011 11:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- a monumental barnburner of epic proportion and one of the finest spring tours ever.

I must respectfully disagree regarding 78 vs 74. I don't think it's even close, actually. Uninspired playing? 74 had some all-time jams; check out 6/18 and 6/23 for starters. In 74, you knew you'd at least get one fairly massive jam each night. There were Truckin>Nobody's Fault>Other One>Spanish Jam sequences. There was at least one Playin>Uncle John's>Morning Dew> Uncle John's>Playin loop. Song-wise, there were some significant additions by 78, including Estimated, Terrapin, and Lazy Lightning>Supplication, but they stopped playing Dark Star, WRS part 1, and the outro jam of Eyes. Playin', Truckin', and The Other One all got substantially reduced in scope. Due to the big jams, I put 74 above even 77, though not as good as 73.

Keith's playing severely dropped off from 74, when he was an improvisational counterpoint to Jerry, to 78 when in a drug daze he would often play the same chords all the way through a jam. Jerry often played phenomenally in 78, and the other members were solid as well, but Keith's uninspired playing brought the band down. Plus the shows were often quite short. That said, the show referenced in the OP is quite good, although it does have the Keith problem, and the second set is a good ~ 90 min despite only one song after drums. I'd still take 78 over most of the 80's.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Apr 9, 2011 4:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- a monumental barnburner of epic proportion and one of the finest spring tours ever.

i respectfully disagree, 1974 (along with 1973) is without question the bands most creative and inspired year.

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Poster: utopian Date: Apr 10, 2011 9:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- a monumental barnburner of epic proportion and one of the finest spring tours ever.

You said, " 1974 (along with 1973) is without question the bands most creative and inspired year."
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for you.... perhaps,

Ben Franklin once said to never speak in definitive statements, they can be rather easily defeated with reason. Quantitatively it's impossible to assign 'best' in the non measurable realms like; art, food, music, and
spiritual pursuits. From the individuals level There can be healthy discouse on matters such as; personal affinity, stylistic
leanings, and generating greater amount of personal joy. But while they are real for us, they are Not fact for others.

Observve:
Shia muslim is the most high religion
Twinkles are the strongest aphrodisiac
Nuclear is the cleanest source of power

While some people, many people may agree it does not make it fact.

..........,,
So I would respectfully question







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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Apr 10, 2011 10:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- a monumental barnburner of epic proportion and one of the finest spring tours ever.

sorry utopian, this is an indisputable fact. 1974 is hands down the Grateful Dead's most inspired and creative year ;^)

in all seriousness though, i am frequently rather facetious on this forum. i agree that art is not something that can be quantified necessarily, though i would somewhat disagree in that i do think it can be to an extent.

for example, *i think* that 1973/4 is the band's most inspired year(s) b/c of the dexterity of the playing, the complexity of the performances, sound quality, etc - all quantifiable imho. which can certainly be quantified and argued for other years, like 1977.

but thank you again for calling me out on this, so few question may assertions and i'm always open for a healthy debate.

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Poster: utopian Date: Apr 11, 2011 10:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- a monumental barnburner of epic proportion and one of the finest spring tours ever.

Ha ha

Somehow these forum discussions seem turn into the age old era debate. Which I would be happy to talk about, although I think it tends to he mire fun and interesting when people have listened to and can appreciate the subtle nuances of the sound and how it changed in yearly or 2 year- ish cycles. (not just the common outlook of; 'I like this year but not this year.' As I brought up some time ago; the band didn't have a meeting on new years day to officially change the sound. There was overlap, mix, experiments, prevalent themes.

So, as a someone in this thread mentioned, it's impossible to compare 60's dead to anything else. The musicians were somewhat the same but the sound was not. So it's easier to translate comparisons within the respected era. For example; 68 to 69, 78 to 79, 89 to 90.

I have to be in the mood for anything pre 77. While i have collected and listened to several complete years of the early 70s, i like some of it (2cd set jam suites, the overall sound of 72 especially and 73, 74 lends more to the folk, country, cowboy feel, more than my preferred level. Alot of people think anything The pace of the groove is much more cohesive to my ears in 77-79, they were more 'on the one' to any James brown fans, and the shows had more of a pace from start to finish. With fall of 79 being, if i had to pick, the highest expression of mindbending funk, dueling Garcia and Lesh leads, and blistering jams.

And honestly don't understand the obsession sone people seem to have with their small pockets of favorite time periods, to the point of never looking out, their mind is made up and concretized. ( but some people enjoy eating hotdogs every single day, and its their right) As I see Many peaks in the deads career, and try to keep the rotation fresh and listen to others recommendations, except 92-95, which I can't seem to see much redeeming value.

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Poster: deadhead53 Date: Apr 10, 2011 11:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- a monumental barnburner of epic proportion and one of the finest spring tours ever.

To me, I think 71 was a great year but I do agree with the poster about 71, the fall is pretty good with Keith and one drummer, but those april-may shows from 71 smoke. For me though the honey hole year was 72, many, many, many great shows. Europe and then those stanley shows late in Sept of 1972. It is hard to go wrong with any 72 show for me. While i like 77, at times I feel they are playing the same show over and over, great musicianship but sometimes boring sets. 78 has some moments and I do like this 4/8 show but after 78 for me it was hit or miss. I enjoy the 81 shows, then after 81 there are great runs but it always comes back to 72 for me. They never seem to have an off night and some great setlists. I place the 60's in a category of their own, at times you cannot compare anything from 66-69 to anything. The 60's stuff is phenomenal, great jammin and spread out stuff, pig is up in the mix, you can feel the band getting it! I do agree that one cannot make definitive statements, just too many of us with opinions about what year we like and love. This is why I love this forum, although me personally after 1982, they are hit or miss and I don't think you can compare it to anything in the 70's or 60's but I will not criticize anyone for lovin his period, if you love the Dead that is fine with me!